Sunday, November 4, 2007

Not water under the bridge for Congressional oversight

President Teddy Roosevelt took to the Bully Pulpit to control a Congressional Oversight investigation of torture. He also ordered the court-martial of the American general on the island of Samar, where some of the worst abuses had occurred.

From a Congressional hearing:

“A man is thrown down on his back and three or four men sit on his arms and legs and hold him down, and either a gun barrel or a rifle barrel or a carbine barrel or a stick as big as a belaying pin ... is simply thrust into his jaws, ... and then water is poured onto his face, down his throat and nose, ... until the man gives some sign of giving in or becomes unconscious. ... His suffering must be that of a man who is drowning but who cannot drown.”

No, this was not taken from the transcripts of the Senate Judiciary Committee's hearings on the confimation hearings of Attorney General nominee Michael Mukaskey on whether or not the nominee thinks the practice of waterboarding is legal.

Waterboarding was also a prime subject of controversy in Congress and in the U.S. more than 100 years ago.

The occasion was the Philippine insurrection, which began soon after the American victory in the Spanish-American War of 1898. It soon became clear that the American liberation of the Philippines from Spanish rule did not mean freedom for the Filipinos but annexation by the United States. The Filipinos fought back savagely against the American occupation, committing many atrocities.

American soldiers responded with what was called the “water cure” or “Chinese water torture.” And Congress responded with oversight hearings. Maybe the main difference between then and now is the response of the Chief Executive the role of the president that enforces U.S. law and creates policies. And in his dual role of Commander in Chief, there was no conflict of interest

In 1902, Teddy Roosevelt made his position clear. Waterboarding was wrong.

Edmund Morris, in the second volume of his brilliant biography of Theodore Roosevelt, recounts how a master politician took over the situation. Roosevelt met with his Cabinet and demanded a full briefing on the Philippine situation. Elihu Root, the secretary of war, reported that an officer accused of the water torture had been ordered to stand trial.

Dissatisfied, Roosevelt sent a cable to the commander of the U.S. Army in the Philippines, stating:

“The president desires to know in the fullest and most circumstantial manner all the facts, ... for the very reason that the president intends to back up the Army in the heartiest fashion in every lawful and legitimate method of doing its work; he also intends to see that the most vigorous care is exercised to detect and prevent any cruelty or brutality and that men who are guilty thereof are punished. Great as the provocation has been in dealing with foes who habitually resort to treachery, murder and torture against our men, nothing can justify or will be held to justify the use of torture or inhuman conduct of any kind on the part of the American Army.”

Roosevelt also ordered the court-martial of the American general on the island of Samar, where some of the worst abuses had occurred. He did so “under conditions which will give me the right of review.” The court-martial cleared the general of the charges, found only that he had behaved with excessive zeal and “admonished” him against repetition.

Roosevelt responded by disregarding the verdict of the court-martial and ordering the general’s dismissal from the Army. Morris wrote that Roosevelt’s decision “won universal praise” from Democrats, who congratulated him for acknowledging cruelty in the Philippine campaign, and from Republicans, who said that he had “upheld the national honor.”

That appears unlikely to happen with the current Congressional debate. The Washington Post reports that the Judiciary Committee vote, which is slated for Tuesday. White House officials said yesterday that they remain confident Mukasey will be confirmed, and Republicans again accused the Democrats of attempting to hold the nomination hostage to score political points. "No one is ready to declare it DOA," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said.

Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin (Ill.) and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.) announced that they will join Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.) in voting against Mukasey on the Judiciary panel, after the nominee said in a four-page letter to Senate Democrats that he does not know whether a type of simulated drowning called waterboarding constitutes illegal torture under U.S. law.

The full Washington Post story is linked here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/31/AR2007103101601.html?hpid=topnews




11 comments:

Anonymous said...

I consider waterboarding a torture tactic. As far as I'm concerned, the military should avoid torture as an interrogation technique unless a quick confession is needed, say, to head off an impending chemical attack.

For the record, though, waterboarding is a lightweight compared to what Ho Chi Minh's torture masters unleashed on our airmen in the Hanoi Hilton.

Alex Crook said...

as far as i'm concerned, torture is never acceptable. ever. period, no ifs ands or buts about it. there are plenty of other ways to obtain information from a suspect without torturing. The United States must hold up it's rights, must treat others as you would want to be treated. For anyone to say that waterboarding or "psychological" torture is okay, is not only a liar but incredibly misinformed.

Mr Wolak said...

Mukasey approved by Senate Judiciary Committee


The Senate Judiciary Committee just approved the nomination of former federal judge Michael Mukasey as the next attorney general. The vote was 11-8, with Democratic Sens. Charles Schumer (N.Y.) and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.) joining all nine committee Republicans in supporting Mukasey. The nomination will now head to the Senate floor, where Mukasey is expected to be confirmed.

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, said he spoke with Mukasey on Monday and was assured that if Congress deemed waterboarding torture, it was Mukasey's legal opinion that President Bush did not have the authority under the Constitution to override the statute. If Bush ignored Mukasey's opinion, Mukasey said he would resign, according to Specter.

Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.), who opposed Mukasey's nomination over his refusal to call waterboarding torture, just called that "a stunning and hollow promise."

Republicans wasted no time in calling for a floor vote on Mukasey.

“Judge Mukasey has waited almost seven weeks for a vote," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) in a statement released moments after the committee's vote. "This process has gone on long enough. Judge Mukasey deserves to have an up-or-down vote on the Senate floor this week. And I believe he will be confirmed with strong bipartisan support.”

(From Politico.com)

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Sree said...

Yes waterboarding might be a very cruel trick to use on terrorists, but we have to remember that these people have killed thousands in the name of an extremist ideaology. Because the Bush adminstration does not want another terrorist attack, which will harm his adminstration again, he used the fast and simple way to extract information by means of torture. But to point fingers at people and say that they are violating laws by using torture is'nt going to get us anywhere or make us any safer because nobody has a better idea that will effectivly work against these terrorists. We can and did try to use more humane techniques but the terrorists are just too stiff to fall for these. For right now, waterboarding is a policy that is somewhat working becuase we haven't had a terrorist attack since 9/11. All I'm saying is that although it may be cruel, we must be and are content with the results. Until we find a more effective and humane way to extract information, I don't think that we should completly stop using this technique because it is working.

Anonymous said...

torture methods just mean that the torturer is no better than the supposed "terrorist" "criminal" or other person that is deemed punishable in such a manner. In any case, if that suspect has been captured it obviously means that they were not important enough to be hidden in a better manner. I think what T.R. did was extremely admirable and worthy of being called American. What George Bush is doing now, pretending to deal with the disgusting and degrading acts that american soldiers are committing against Iraqis, is not only shameful but it makes the soldiers look awful. Its hard to sympathize with and feel loyalty to people who feel the need to twist the concept of being a soldier. We didn't excuse the Nazis and therefore should not excuse ourselves. We're men, not gods, and torture is something we have no right to committ.

This whole paranoid idea of terrorists running amok is ridiculous. People are starting to think they're hiding behind bookshelves in libraries and are waiting for the perfect moment to strike at us in our local Starbucks. Global meddling is terrorism (when you intimidate people to do what you want). Torturing terrorists is just a lousy excuse to do it to everybody we have suspicions against. We just call them a terrorist for justification. Terrorists are too stiff? i think people have become too selfish and too ignorant to understand what is really going on.

Newsfalsh: there's a war in Iraq. Iraqis bombing americans are fighting in a war.

Alex Crook said...

all i'm going to say is that this post makes me shake my head in sadness that fellow Americans- or even people in general - can ever condone hurting anyone. We're better as human biengs, we're stronger as souls, and we should be strong enough to open our eyes to atrocities, not scared enough to close our eyes at the first sight of trouble.

Anonymous said...

I think that waterboarding clearly constitutes as torture and cruel and unusual punishment and therefore, under the Constitution, should never be used to extract information from anybody, even people who are a part of a terrorist group. If a person thinks that it isn't torture, maybe they should just give it a try and then share their opinion.

Additionally, I think that it is shameful that Judge Mukasey, a candidate for the highest law enforcement officer in the United States, can’t come to a decision if waterboarding is torture or not. He says he doesn’t have a security clearance that allows him to look at highly secret information on its practice.

Bush wants him to be Attorney General, but he can’t be trusted with state secrets?

Anonymous said...

It is absolutely ridiculous say that it's ok to torture someone just because they used violence. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. If you're against malicious violence then you're against torture. It's really that simple.

Sree said...

I agree that waterboarding is torture but tho extract information from these extremists requires such a malicious tactic as waterboarding. As for the eye for an eye analogy, we aren't taking one eye for one. We are taking one eye for a couple thousand eyes, if you know what I mean.

Anonymous said...

I completely disagree with the viewpoint that torturing an individual is okay to extract information. In a world that is so terrified by terrorism, it seems that pointing the blame at somoene makes us feel safer and more comfortable with instability. Torture is ridiculous--a concept made for ANIMALS. How dare you hurt someone else for your own benefit. Who the hell do you think you are. What makes one individual feel so superior to another that he feels it is okay to humiliate and nearly murder another. It is such narrowminded viewpoints like "it is going to make our nation safer" that makes terrorists. So many times, people torture innocent civilians because of mere suspicion and prejudice. What if it was your daughter, your son, your friend. One innocent life ruined is too many. People who say it is okay to torture others are so ignorant. They only say that because nothing has happened to them. Torturing is wrong, illegal, and inhumane. There are no exceptions. I would rather die from a terrorist attack knowing that no innocent civilians were harmed, than live knowing that one innocent life was ruined.

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